K Zildjian Istanbul Constantinople Type 3

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Company: K Zildjian & Cie
Country: Istanbul, Turkey (which was called Constantinople back then)
Production Years: 1925? to 1935?
Trademark location: towards the outer edge
Other Markings: Company name written under bell K Zildjian & Cie, sometimes Constantinople
Diameters: observed 10" to 16", offered in 10 1/2 to 19 1/2" in the Ludwig 1922 catalog (half inch increments)
Sound File Examples: coming

The Type 3 adds a Star and Crescent moon above the Arabic section along with MADE IN TURKEY wrapped around the moon.

The "F" shown appears on a number of cymbals with this trademark stamp. We don' know why some have an "F" added, but there are enough of them so the presence of an "F" is not surprising. The Premier script is there in Example 4 because back then Premier was the importer and distributor of K Zildjian Istanbul cymbals for the U.K. as seen in the 1927 catalog. Later Premier switched over to representing A Zildjian.

Here is a 16" example weighing 1644. A single crack running off the mounting hole (aka spider) has been repaired. In this case the ink (with a price of $100) is not original so it cannot be usefully compared to catalog prices from the 1920s and 1930s.

Here is a 14" pair weighing 1142g and 1182g. This gives us a chance to see how the same trademark die is pressed in differently in two cymbals. Different parts are struck separately so they can be clearer or less distinct on the two examples.

In the 1941 Gretsch catalog there is an entry for a cymbal model called a Paper Thin Deep Cut. New! and Hotter! Part number 8500. The bell shape is very different from the other two bells shapes from back then. Here is the 10" example which weighs 335g. Although the catalog is from 1941 the trademark is the Type 3, not even a Type 4 which is the last one before the Old Stamp series which are said to begin in 1940. So the years don't currently line up exactly. And don't believe anybody who says that K Zildjian Istanbul didn't ever produce specific models. There may not be very many, but they are out there.

Here is an 11" cymbal which weighs 406g. It has the more familiar bell shape and thanks to the measuring tape we know that the bell is a little over 3" in diameter. Bells were put in with a hammer against a die. Because they were all hand done they vary a bit from one cymbal to another.

This page has been written as if this is one specific stamp type, but things are a little more complicated. Individual impressions using the same die pieces can vary. The separate portions can be in different alignments, or the stamp can be spaced out or compressed. Portions can be stamped in several times and overlap. Here is a variant which has the basic attributes of Type 3, but some different details. The Arabic portion was struck several times but it looks like the Type 3 style. The ampersand (&) is shorter than usual. There is also variation going on in the size and positioning of the star relative the the crescent moon. This short ampersand (&) variant is different from examples 1 to 4, and those examples seem to vary a little among themselves.



Another difference between the Type 3 and the Type 4 is the height of the word IN in the text MADE IN TURKEY which wraps around the moon. The Type 3 has IN the same height as MADE and TURKEY. In Type 4 the word IN is a little shorter. That helps pin this Type 3 Variant down as a Type 3.


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