Difference between revisions of "Paiste Formula 602 22" Dark Ride"
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'''Years of production:''' 1975 - 1977, with a few mysterious ones which lack serial numbers<br><br> | '''Years of production:''' 1975 - 1977, with a few mysterious ones which lack serial numbers<br><br> | ||
| − | '''Production History:''' Dark Rides are in the 1975-1977 era based on serial number dating. There are no 602 Dark Rides with serial numbers from 1972, 1973 and 1974 out of 32 serial numbers. There are currently 8 non serial 602 Dark Rides documented. The Dark Rides without serial numbers can't automatically be assumed to be pre serial (before mid 1972). | + | '''Production History:''' Dark Rides are in the 1975-1977 era based on serial number dating. There are no 602 Dark Rides with serial numbers from 1972, 1973 and 1974 out of 32 serial numbers. There are currently 8 non serial 602 Dark Rides documented. The Dark Rides without serial numbers can't automatically be assumed to be pre serial (before mid 1972). [[Paiste Jack De Johnette|Jack De Johnette]] is credited with early development and his Dark Ride in the Paiste Profiles 2 (1975) which is consistent with the serial number evidence. On the other hand, [[Paiste Jon Hiseman|Jon Hiseman]] says in a 2017 interview: |
| − | <blockquote>While with John Mayall on tour in Switzerland in 1967 I went up to the Paiste Factory at Notwill and became an endorser. My input resulted in the shorter cleaner ”Heavy” rides of the 70s featuring the 2002 material. But my favourite cymbal of all is a 22″ Paiste Formula 602 dark ride from | + | <blockquote>While with John Mayall on tour in Switzerland in 1967 I went up to the Paiste Factory at Notwill and became an endorser. My input resulted in the shorter cleaner ”Heavy” rides of the 70s featuring the 2002 material. But my favourite cymbal of all is a 22″ Paiste Formula 602 dark ride from '75. Its still on the studio kit today and last went on the road with Barbara Thompson”s Paraphernalia in 2005 where it was used on the upcoming Para Live05 DVD. I know where the other one is!!</blockquote> |
full interview: http://mikedolbear.com/british-drum-icons/drummer-jon-hiseman/ | full interview: http://mikedolbear.com/british-drum-icons/drummer-jon-hiseman/ | ||
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There are also what are called the Transitional Dark rides which all come from 1976 and 1977 based on serial numbers. These lack the words Formula 602 at the bottom of the embossed stamp, but other than that the hammering, lathing, and ink look like the 602 Dark Rides. The Transitional Dark Rides correlate with Rogers taking over Paiste distribution in the USA. The Rogers price list and catalog from that period shows that Rogers placed a few 602 models in among their 2002 catalog offerings and did not mention the Formula 602 series. This would explain why the words Formula 602 were left off the embossed stamp and the ink. | There are also what are called the Transitional Dark rides which all come from 1976 and 1977 based on serial numbers. These lack the words Formula 602 at the bottom of the embossed stamp, but other than that the hammering, lathing, and ink look like the 602 Dark Rides. The Transitional Dark Rides correlate with Rogers taking over Paiste distribution in the USA. The Rogers price list and catalog from that period shows that Rogers placed a few 602 models in among their 2002 catalog offerings and did not mention the Formula 602 series. This would explain why the words Formula 602 were left off the embossed stamp and the ink. | ||
Revision as of 15:03, 15 May 2022
Group: Rides
Type: Dark Ride
Size: 22 Inch
Series: Formula 602
Weight: 2889g - 3475g (median 3240g) n=41
Used Prices: $400 - $910 (median $636) n=45
List Price: $288 (as at 1977) or about $460 inflation adjusted to June 2019
Years of production: 1975 - 1977, with a few mysterious ones which lack serial numbers
Production History: Dark Rides are in the 1975-1977 era based on serial number dating. There are no 602 Dark Rides with serial numbers from 1972, 1973 and 1974 out of 32 serial numbers. There are currently 8 non serial 602 Dark Rides documented. The Dark Rides without serial numbers can't automatically be assumed to be pre serial (before mid 1972). Jack De Johnette is credited with early development and his Dark Ride in the Paiste Profiles 2 (1975) which is consistent with the serial number evidence. On the other hand, Jon Hiseman says in a 2017 interview:
While with John Mayall on tour in Switzerland in 1967 I went up to the Paiste Factory at Notwill and became an endorser. My input resulted in the shorter cleaner ”Heavy” rides of the 70s featuring the 2002 material. But my favourite cymbal of all is a 22″ Paiste Formula 602 dark ride from '75. Its still on the studio kit today and last went on the road with Barbara Thompson”s Paraphernalia in 2005 where it was used on the upcoming Para Live05 DVD. I know where the other one is!!
full interview: http://mikedolbear.com/british-drum-icons/drummer-jon-hiseman/
There are also what are called the Transitional Dark rides which all come from 1976 and 1977 based on serial numbers. These lack the words Formula 602 at the bottom of the embossed stamp, but other than that the hammering, lathing, and ink look like the 602 Dark Rides. The Transitional Dark Rides correlate with Rogers taking over Paiste distribution in the USA. The Rogers price list and catalog from that period shows that Rogers placed a few 602 models in among their 2002 catalog offerings and did not mention the Formula 602 series. This would explain why the words Formula 602 were left off the embossed stamp and the ink.
In 1978 the Sound Creation series appears and the Dark Ride is found in that series from then on. There is one 602 Dark Ride from 1979 which is consistent with production tapering off rapidly at that time. There is one 1981 Dark Ride cymbal with serial PAISTE 602 142560, 602 Dark Ride ink characteristics and hammering, but no embossed stamp at all. This might be as close as it gets to a 602 Blue Label period Dark Ride.
Sound file:
Paiste's Description: The basic character of the cymbal is deep and dark with a full-bodied sound. The precise ride floats dark and brilliant over a lively, constantly resonating full deep ping.
The sound can be increased to short, sharp crash effects by intense strong hits with the stick flat on the cymbal surface. Translated from
the German 1976 catalog seen below.
Review:
Review written by
Artist/song where it can be heard: Barry Altschul, Erich Bachträgl, Alex Bally, Dan Brubeck, Jerry Chardonnens, Jon Christensen, Pierre Courbois, Jack De Johnette, Pierre Favre, John Gilston, Marc Hellman, Jon Hiseman, John Marshall, Alex Riel
602 Dark Ride with the full 602 stamp and ink
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602 Dark Ride top
602 Dark Ride top
602 Dark Ride top
602 Dark Ride printed stamp
602 Dark Ride embossed tamp
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602 Dark Ride bottom
602 Dark Ride (Transitional) without the full 602 stamp and ink
Transition dark ride, note lack on "Formula 602" below the Paiste stamp
602 Dark Ride (Trans) top
602 Dark Ride (Trans) bottom
602 Dark Ride (Trans) stamp
close up of emboss and Paiste stamp
Notice that the embossed stamps are different. The 602 Dark Ride uses the outline version of the full stamp. The 602 Dark Ride (Transitional) uses a version which has TRADE underneath the E of Paiste. This version is called the mixed version of the embossed stamp when it includes the Formula 602 underneath. On the 602 Dark Ride there is ink saying Paiste Formula 602 above the bell. On the Transitional version the Paiste ink is there, but the Formula 602 is not. Here is the price list from the Rogers 1977 catalog which has the Dark Ride (Part No 52-1822) placed among the 2002s.
Prices from Rogers Catalog
Prices from Rogers Catalog (part 2)
Paiste Catalog 1977 Description
1975 Dark ride oddity
